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Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [I] Local politics
| [I] Local politics [message #251003] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 15:21 |
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Hi all,
A short announcement: as some may know I was eligible in the local
elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We didn't get an
extra seat so I didn't make it into the municipal council, but yesterday
we managed to become part of the coalition which means I can go into the
council, replacing our leader who will take his place in the local
government.
So I'm a politician now. Please don't make nasty jokes ;)
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251006 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 16:06 |
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Sanity wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> A short announcement: as some may know I was eligible in the local
> elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We didn't get
> an extra seat so I didn't make it into the municipal council, but
> yesterday we managed to become part of the coalition which means I
> can go into the council, replacing our leader who will take his place
> in the local government.
>
> So I'm a politician now. Please don't make nasty jokes ;)
Then I think you're the first politician on afp ... certainly I remember
winning a pint on this very issue a couple of years ago!
(I won't be betting that any more!)
--
Ed.
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251026 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 18:38 |
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Ed Weatherup wrote:
> Sanity wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>A short announcement: as some may know I was eligible in the local
>>elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We didn't get
>>an extra seat so I didn't make it into the municipal council, but
>>yesterday we managed to become part of the coalition which means I
>>can go into the council, replacing our leader who will take his place
>>in the local government.
>>
>>So I'm a politician now. Please don't make nasty jokes ;)
>
>
> Then I think you're the first politician on afp ... certainly I remember
> winning a pint on this very issue a couple of years ago!
>
> (I won't be betting that any more!)
I keep expecting the USA to phone me and ask me to become president.
I reckon I'd make a bloody good one.
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251029 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 18:47 |
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Torak wrote:
> Ed Weatherup wrote:
>> Sanity wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> A short announcement: as some may know I was eligible in the local
>>> elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We didn't get
>>> an extra seat so I didn't make it into the municipal council, but
>>> yesterday we managed to become part of the coalition which means I
>>> can go into the council, replacing our leader who will take his place
>>> in the local government.
>>>
>>> So I'm a politician now. Please don't make nasty jokes ;)
>>
>>
>> Then I think you're the first politician on afp ... certainly I
>> remember winning a pint on this very issue a couple of years ago!
>>
>> (I won't be betting that any more!)
>
> I keep expecting the USA to phone me and ask me to become president.
>
> I reckon I'd make a bloody good one.
What? You're a bloody-minded xenophobic Christian with a taste for
blowing up foreign nations?
Sanity, make pterry a compulsory subject in schools! Would do the place
a lot of good, I'm sure.
Berry2K
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251038 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 19:25 |
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Berry2K wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>
>> Ed Weatherup wrote:
>>
>>> Sanity wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> A short announcement: as some may know I was eligible in the local
>>>> elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We didn't get
>>>> an extra seat so I didn't make it into the municipal council, but
>>>> yesterday we managed to become part of the coalition which means I
>>>> can go into the council, replacing our leader who will take his place
>>>> in the local government.
>>>>
>>>> So I'm a politician now. Please don't make nasty jokes ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then I think you're the first politician on afp ... certainly I
>>> remember winning a pint on this very issue a couple of years ago!
>>>
>>> (I won't be betting that any more!)
>>
>>
>> I keep expecting the USA to phone me and ask me to become president.
>>
>> I reckon I'd make a bloody good one.
>
>
>
> What? You're a bloody-minded xenophobic Christian with a taste for
> blowing up foreign nations?
Nope. That's why I'd make a good one.
I never said I'd be a *popular* one... :-)
> Sanity, make pterry a compulsory subject in schools! Would do the place
> a lot of good, I'm sure.
I'd do it, and all.
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251044 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 19:45 |
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Sanity wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> A short announcement: as some may know I was eligible in the local
> elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We didn't get an
> extra seat so I didn't make it into the municipal council, but yesterday
> we managed to become part of the coalition which means I can go into the
> council, replacing our leader who will take his place in the local
> government.
>
> So I'm a politician now. Please don't make nasty jokes ;)
>
NAsty jokes about politicians? Shurely not.
--
The Apostate
CTID
Keep The Faith
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251053 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 20:18 |
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in article pan.2006.04.07.13.21.06.28258 [at] news.affordable-prawns.co.uk,
Sanity at sanityDELETETHIS [at] affordable-prawns.co.uk wrote on 07/04/2006 6:21
AM:
> Hi all,
>
> A short announcement: as some may know I was eligible in the local
> elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We didn't get an
> extra seat so I didn't make it into the municipal council, but yesterday
> we managed to become part of the coalition which means I can go into the
> council, replacing our leader who will take his place in the local
> government.
>
> So I'm a politician now.
Congratulations! May you govern wisely, as I'm sure you will.
> Please don't make nasty jokes ;)
You're asking afp not to make nasty jokes?
--
Lesley Weston.
Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251067 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 20:57 |
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"Torak" <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BgxZf.8888$zc1.1693 [at] amstwist00...
> Berry2K wrote:
>> Torak wrote:
>>>
>>> I keep expecting the USA to phone me and ask me to become president.
>>>
>>> I reckon I'd make a bloody good one.
>>
>> What? You're a bloody-minded xenophobic Christian with a taste for
>> blowing up foreign nations?
>
> Nope. That's why I'd make a good one.
>
> I never said I'd be a *popular* one... :-)
>
I'd vote for you. For what that's worth nowadays. Politics in my country
seems to operate on the principle that "Money talks". Like business and
religion. Considering that Politics, Religion and Business seem to be *very*
closely related currently, this is not surprising.
--
Paul E. Jamison
"I traveled to a planet with no bilateral symmetry
and all I got was this lousy F-shirt."
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251079 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 21:44 |
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pjamison2 wrote:
> "Torak" <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:BgxZf.8888$zc1.1693 [at] amstwist00...
>
>
>>Berry2K wrote:
>
>
>>>Torak wrote:
>>>
>>>>I keep expecting the USA to phone me and ask me to become president.
>>>>
>>>>I reckon I'd make a bloody good one.
>>>
>>>What? You're a bloody-minded xenophobic Christian with a taste for
>>>blowing up foreign nations?
>>
>>Nope. That's why I'd make a good one.
>>
>>I never said I'd be a *popular* one... :-)
>>
>
> I'd vote for you. For what that's worth nowadays. Politics in my country
> seems to operate on the principle that "Money talks". Like business and
> religion. Considering that Politics, Religion and Business seem to be *very*
> closely related currently, this is not surprising.
I've actually been tapping quietly at a manifesto.
The key point is telling voters the truth and what they need to hear,
rather than what they want to hear.
Following from that, I'll start my speeches with "My fellow colon...
sorry, Americans". OK, so maybe not. But I'd make it clear that my
religion - or lack thereof - has no bearing on anything. And I'd be
delighted to tell them that I hate cheese, and I'm not going to have a
photo shoot with me eating cheese because it doesn't matter whether I
like cheese or not.
Fortunately I quite like broccoli.
Got lots of other good stuff.... :-D
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251100 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 22:35 |
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Torak wrote:
>>> I keep expecting the USA to phone me and ask me to become president.
>>>
>>> I reckon I'd make a bloody good one.
>>
>>
>>
>> What? You're a bloody-minded xenophobic Christian with a taste for
>> blowing up foreign nations?
>
> Nope. That's why I'd make a good one.
>
> I never said I'd be a *popular* one... :-)
President Alfred E. Bush's approval rating is currently an abysmal 36%. I'd
hardly call that popular. Clinton's averaged around 66%-69%.
But lets not forget that while our current president may have destroyed our
foreign standing, sqaundered our money on tax cuts for the wealthy, allowed
companies to destroy the environment any way they please, and started a
useless, costly, unwanted war, his predecessor did the unforgivable and got
a BJ.
Puts it all into perspective, doesn't it?
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251111 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 22:02 |
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Lesley Weston brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk wrote in
<C05BFAF0.454E7%brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk>:
> in article pan.2006.04.07.13.21.06.28258 [at] news.affordable-prawns.co.uk,
> Sanity at sanityDELETETHIS [at] affordable-prawns.co.uk wrote on 07/04/2006 6:21
> AM:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > A short announcement: as some may know I was eligible in the local
> > elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We didn't get an
> > extra seat so I didn't make it into the municipal council, but yesterday
> > we managed to become part of the coalition which means I can go into the
> > council, replacing our leader who will take his place in the local
> > government.
> >
> > So I'm a politician now.
>
> Congratulations! May you govern wisely, as I'm sure you will.
>
My advice is to never forget what you are actually trying to do. There
will be lots of times when an argument develops over whether one course of
action is better than another, at such times the people who really matter
are the ones who remember what the original purpose of the action was.
Don't get lost in the words. Always concentrate on achieving your ends
rather than getting approval for your choice of means to those ends.
> > Please don't make nasty jokes ;)
>
> You're asking afp not to make nasty jokes?
>
I assumed it was irony.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251120 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 23:23 |
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Puck wrote:
> Torak wrote:
>
>>>>I keep expecting the USA to phone me and ask me to become president.
>>>>
>>>>I reckon I'd make a bloody good one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>What? You're a bloody-minded xenophobic Christian with a taste for
>>>blowing up foreign nations?
>>
>>Nope. That's why I'd make a good one.
>>
>>I never said I'd be a *popular* one... :-)
>
>
> President Alfred E. Bush's approval rating is currently an abysmal 36%. I'd
> hardly call that popular. Clinton's averaged around 66%-69%.
>
> But lets not forget that while our current president may have destroyed our
> foreign standing, sqaundered our money on tax cuts for the wealthy, allowed
> companies to destroy the environment any way they please, and started a
> useless, costly, unwanted war, his predecessor did the unforgivable and got
> a BJ.
I rather liked Clinton, actually. He seemed the closest to a British
politician of the Charlie Kennedy and William Hague mould; funny, didn't
take himself too seriously, and so on. Plus he was, as far as I know, a
jazz man, which is always good.
> Puts it all into perspective, doesn't it?
Yup. Doesn't matter how much you bugger the world, as long as you don't
bugger your secretary.
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251126 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 23:42 |
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Torak wrote:
> I rather liked Clinton, actually. He seemed the closest to a British
> politician of the Charlie Kennedy and William Hague mould; funny,
> didn't take himself too seriously, and so on. Plus he was, as far as
> I know, a jazz man, which is always good.
I always liked him as well. Watching him spar with Gingrich was pretty
funny, really. A bit like watching a roadrunner cartoon.
>> Puts it all into perspective, doesn't it?
>
> Yup. Doesn't matter how much you bugger the world, as long as you
> don't bugger your secretary.
And know the meaning of the word "is".
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251131 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 23:53 |
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Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I keep expecting the USA to phone me and ask me to become president.
>
> I reckon I'd make a bloody good one.
That would be a first. We tend to get *either* bloody ones *or* good ones.
Regards,
--
*Art
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251133 ] |
Fr, 07 April 2006 23:55 |
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Eric Jarvis <web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk> wrote:
> Lesley Weston brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk wrote in
> <C05BFAF0.454E7%brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk>:
>>
>> You're asking afp not to make nasty jokes?
>
> I assumed it was irony.
Isn't irony something that has to do with shirts?
Regards,
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*Art
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251139 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 00:11 |
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Arthur Hagen wrote:
> Torak <perry_awm [at] hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I keep expecting the USA to phone me and ask me to become president.
>>
>> I reckon I'd make a bloody good one.
>
>
> That would be a first. We tend to get *either* bloody ones *or* good ones.
I know, I thought I'd mix it up a bit.
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251145 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 00:17 |
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:44:47 +0200, Torak wrote:
>
> The key point is telling voters the truth and what they need to hear,
> rather than what they want to hear.
>
> Following from that, I'll start my speeches with "My fellow colon...
> sorry, Americans". OK, so maybe not. But I'd make it clear that my
> religion - or lack thereof - has no bearing on anything. And I'd be
> delighted to tell them that I hate cheese, and I'm not going to have a
> photo shoot with me eating cheese because it doesn't matter whether I
> like cheese or not.
>
> Fortunately I quite like broccoli.
>
> Got lots of other good stuff.... :-D
Funny, cheese was probably the most delicious food on my list that stopped
me turning completely vegan , and as for broccoli, I was listening to the
news yesterday about a woman who stuck her hand in a box of it, and pulled
out a snake - she had the shock of her life!
I love your political theory though, about telling the voters the whole
truth and not some lie all prettied up to what they might want to hear.
We're much more aware than we used to be a hundred years ago, and
personally, I don't, and never have trusted any politician - there's just
this kind of aura about them that seems to give out some kinda "every word
I tell you is a lie" sort of image!
All the best
Sofie
--
Please visit my deviantART page: http://sofen.deviantart.com/
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251149 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 00:26 |
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Sofia wrote:
> On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:44:47 +0200, Torak wrote:
>
>
>>The key point is telling voters the truth and what they need to hear,
>>rather than what they want to hear.
>>
>>Following from that, I'll start my speeches with "My fellow colon...
>>sorry, Americans". OK, so maybe not. But I'd make it clear that my
>>religion - or lack thereof - has no bearing on anything. And I'd be
>>delighted to tell them that I hate cheese, and I'm not going to have a
>>photo shoot with me eating cheese because it doesn't matter whether I
>>like cheese or not.
>>
>>Fortunately I quite like broccoli.
>>
>>Got lots of other good stuff.... :-D
>
>
>
> Funny, cheese was probably the most delicious food on my list that stopped
> me turning completely vegan , and as for broccoli, I was listening to the
> news yesterday about a woman who stuck her hand in a box of it, and pulled
> out a snake - she had the shock of her life!
>
> I love your political theory though, about telling the voters the whole
> truth and not some lie all prettied up to what they might want to hear.
>
> We're much more aware than we used to be a hundred years ago, and
> personally, I don't, and never have trusted any politician - there's just
> this kind of aura about them that seems to give out some kinda "every word
> I tell you is a lie" sort of image!
Yeah, exactly.
Personally, I'd like to be a president who doesn't consult the polls
before deciding on his own opinion. I'm not going to see if the Bible
Belt will let me say that I think people should be allowed to do
whatever they like with whomever they like in the privacy of their own
home as long as nobody minds... [catches up with sentence] before
telling people that's what I think.
I'd dive right in by telling the electorate that hey, the rest of the
world hates us [obviously assuming that by then I'd be one of the "us"]
and what can we do to fix it?
And if, for some reason, I had to keep something secret, I certainly
wouldn't want to lie about it. At the very most, if pushed, I'd say
there's nothing I can say on the subject.
Plus, I'm a really bad liar. I don't have the memory for it. And I can't
keep a straight face.
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251220 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 04:55 |
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"Puck" <Kormos.4 [at] osu.edu> wrote in message
news:e16m90$2fr$1 [at] charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu...
> Torak wrote:
>> I rather liked Clinton, actually. He seemed the closest to a British
>> politician of the Charlie Kennedy and William Hague mould; funny,
>> didn't take himself too seriously, and so on. Plus he was, as far as
>> I know, a jazz man, which is always good.
>
> I always liked him as well. Watching him spar with Gingrich was pretty
> funny, really. A bit like watching a roadrunner cartoon.
>
Count me in as well. I liked the guy. What kind of understanding Bill and
Hilary came to over Monica is none of my business and, armchair moralists
aside, nobody else's. Where I fault Clinton in the affair was that he didn't
come out and say, "Okay, I did it. It was wrong. What are you gonna do about
it?"
I've despised Gingrich and his ilk from the moment the Repubs took over
Congress is '94. Considering, like Rudi Guiliani, he divroced his wife to
marry his mistress, I tend to look on our Conservative's handwringing over
Clinton and morality in general with a ton of cynicism.
--
Paul E. Jamison
"I traveled to a planet with no bilateral symmetry
and all I got was this lousy F-shirt."
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251262 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 12:45 |
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Sofia <pinkmonster2000REMOVE [at] ALLCAPSyahoo.com> wrote:
> We're much more aware than we used to be a hundred years ago, and
> personally, I don't, and never have trusted any politician - there's just
> this kind of aura about them that seems to give out some kinda "every word
> I tell you is a lie" sort of image!
I never lie ;)
--
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| Featuring Planet AFP, a collection of afpers' blogs!
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251304 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 16:27 |
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:55:51 -0500, pjamison2 wrote:
> Where I fault Clinton in the affair was that he didn't
> come out and say, "Okay, I did it. It was wrong. What are you gonna do about
> it?"
Well would you tell your wife you'd been having an affair with your
secretary? It sounds like one of the hardest, most embarrassing, and most
shameful things to have to admit to, even just to your partner, but if the
most powerful man in the USA were to admit it to the entire nation, he
might feel as though he'd just jumped off the tallest skyscraper in front
of a massive audience, and landed in the shape of a pancake.
All the best
Sofie
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Please visit my deviantART page: http://sofen.deviantart.com/
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251311 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 17:01 |
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On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:45:53 +0200, Sanity wrote:
>> We're much more aware than we used to be a hundred years ago, and
>> personally, I don't, and never have trusted any politician - there's just
>> this kind of aura about them that seems to give out some kinda "every word
>> I tell you is a lie" sort of image!
>
> I never lie ;)
Glad to hear it, but like you, most candidates have the "Sanity" not to
lie, to begin with. After several years sticking around politicians
though, and you'll soon begin to learn all their dirty dealing ways -
snuffling up to the leader, pocketing money from the treasury, using your
position to screw around, accepting expensive gifts and bribes, and
keeping things from, and lying to your hearts content to your electorate
to get yourself voted in - I mean take Bush, he had the most enormous
jazzed-up evangelist carnival thingy last year just before the
elections, all so he could win over the religious vote - it seemed to
work, but it makes you wonder what they'll think of next?!
Best of luck you keep your sanity anyway
Sofie
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Please visit my deviantART page: http://sofen.deviantart.com/
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251365 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 22:44 |
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Sofia wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:45:53 +0200, Sanity wrote:
>
>>> We're much more aware than we used to be a hundred years ago, and
>>> personally, I don't, and never have trusted any politician - there's just
>>> this kind of aura about them that seems to give out some kinda "every word
>>> I tell you is a lie" sort of image!
>> I never lie ;)
>
>
> Glad to hear it, but like you, most candidates have the "Sanity" not to
> lie, to begin with. After several years sticking around politicians
> though, and you'll soon begin to learn all their dirty dealing ways -
> snuffling up to the leader, pocketing money from the treasury, using your
> position to screw around, accepting expensive gifts and bribes, and
> keeping things from, and lying to your hearts content to your electorate
> to get yourself voted in - I mean take Bush, he had the most enormous
> jazzed-up evangelist carnival thingy last year just before the
> elections, all so he could win over the religious vote - it seemed to
> work, but it makes you wonder what they'll think of next?!
>
>
>
> Best of luck you keep your sanity anyway
>
>
> Sofie
>
He's a coalition member in a relatively small town in a more or less
sensible country, he isn't becoming president of the Soviet Union.
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251385 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 23:13 |
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Berry2K wrote:
> He's a coalition member in a relatively small town in a more or less
> sensible country, he isn't becoming president of the Soviet Union.
That's good, because there's no future in that job. I would even go so far
as to say there's no present, and not a great deal of past.
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251386 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 23:16 |
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Sofia wrote:
> Well would you tell your wife you'd been having an affair with your
> secretary? It sounds like one of the hardest, most embarrassing, and
> most shameful things to have to admit to, even just to your partner,
> but if the most powerful man in the USA were to admit it to the
> entire nation, he might feel as though he'd just jumped off the
> tallest skyscraper in front of a massive audience, and landed in the
> shape of a pancake.
This is Bill we're talking about. The man loves his pancakes.
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
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| Re: Local politics [message #251390 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 23:19 |
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Ed Weatherup wrote:
> Sanity wrote:
> > So I'm a politician now. Please don't make nasty jokes ;)
>
> Then I think you're the first politician on afp ... certainly I remember
> winning a pint on this very issue a couple of years ago!
Oy!
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| Re: Local politics [message #251394 ] |
Sa, 08 April 2006 23:22 |
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Sanity wrote:
> elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We didn't get an
> extra seat so I didn't make it into the municipal council, but yesterday
> we managed to become part of the coalition which means I can go into the
> council, replacing our leader who will take his place in the local
> government.
So how does that work then? You don't get elected, your party joins
a coalition abd suddenly you *are* elected?
In the UK "council" == "local government".
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JGH
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| Re: Local politics [message #251419 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 00:31 |
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Also Sprach :
> Sanity wrote:
>> elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We
>> didn't get an extra seat so I didn't make it into the
>> municipal council, but yesterday we managed to become part
>> of the coalition which means I can go into the council,
>> replacing our leader who will take his place in the local
>> government.
>
> So how does that work then? You don't get elected, your
> party joins a coalition abd suddenly you *are* elected?
It makes as much sense as the Scottish Parliament...
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Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
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Personally, I sacrifice Beaker." -Dr Bunsen Honeydew
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251421 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 00:24 |
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Puck <Kormos.4 [at] osu.edu> wrote:
> Sofia wrote:
>> Well would you tell your wife you'd been having an affair with your
>> secretary? It sounds like one of the hardest, most embarrassing, and
>> most shameful things to have to admit to, even just to your partner,
>> but if the most powerful man in the USA were to admit it to the
>> entire nation, he might feel as though he'd just jumped off the
>> tallest skyscraper in front of a massive audience, and landed in the
>> shape of a pancake.
>
> This is Bill we're talking about. The man loves his pancakes.
Yeah, but why would he want to cheat on Melinda in the first place?
Regards,
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251444 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 02:01 |
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pjamison2 wrote:
> Count me in as well. I liked the guy. What kind of understanding Bill and
> Hilary came to over Monica is none of my business and, armchair moralists
> aside, nobody else's. Where I fault Clinton in the affair was that he didn't
> come out and say, "Okay, I did it. It was wrong. What are you gonna do about
> it?"
I have nothing to add that I haven't said on afp at some stage before,
which is mostly that www.zompist.com is among my first ports of call
for understanding American politics and there's an article all about
the Clinton affair at http://www.zompist.com/braguette.htm
There's a cute little diagram comparing how the republicans and
democrats go with all that boring economy management stuff at
http://www.zompist.com/rants06.html - scroll down to 9 Mar 2006. As
explained, grey regions represent a democrat presidency, pink columns
a republican one.
Adrian.
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| Re: Local politics [message #251481 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 12:19 |
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posted:
> Sanity wrote:
>> elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We
>> didn't get an extra seat so I didn't make it into the
>> municipal council, but yesterday we managed to become part
>> of the coalition which means I can go into the council,
>> replacing our leader who will take his place in the local
>> government.
>
> So how does that work then? You don't get elected, your
> party joins a coalition abd suddenly you *are* elected?
Obviously the voters voted for a party list, not for
individual candidates, and when one candidate at the top of
the list is no longer available for the position, somebody
lower on the list takes the place. (At a guess .nl has
proportional representation on the local level)
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| Re: Local politics [message #251502 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 14:17 |
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Thomas Zahr wrote:
> posted:
>> Sanity wrote:
>>> elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We
>>> didn't get an extra seat so I didn't make it into the
>>> municipal council, but yesterday we managed to become part
>>> of the coalition which means I can go into the council,
>>> replacing our leader who will take his place in the local
>>> government.
>> So how does that work then? You don't get elected, your
>> party joins a coalition abd suddenly you *are* elected?
>
> Obviously the voters voted for a party list, not for
> individual candidates, and when one candidate at the top of
> the list is no longer available for the position, somebody
> lower on the list takes the place. (At a guess .nl has
> proportional representation on the local level)
That's indeed the case. There is a major and several 'wethouders'
(alderman, according to my dictionary. But I don't trust my dictionary).
The major is appointed by the queen, the wethouders are chosen by the
parties that form the coalition. So if a party has gotten enough votes
to get 6 people in the council, but nr. 1 on the list becomes a
wethouder, nr. 7 on the list gets in the council instead of nr. 1
because a wethouder cannot be in the council.
It gets even more complicated because you actually CAN vote on a
specific person, but I don't quite know how that works myself either.
I'm sure Sanity can explain.
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251563 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 19:29 |
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Sanity <sanityDELETETHIS [at] affordable-prawns.co.uk> wrote:
> A short announcement: as some may know I was eligible in the local
> elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We didn't get an
> extra seat so I didn't make it into the municipal council, but yesterday
> we managed to become part of the coalition which means I can go into the
> council, replacing our leader who will take his place in the local
> government.
>
> So I'm a politician now. Please don't make nasty jokes ;)
Nasty jokes? Wouldn't dare.
So. How long before the Volksrepubliek Gouda will be reality?
Richard
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| Re: Local politics [message #251564 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 19:29 |
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PleegWat <pleegwat [at] PLEEGWAT.leegwater-68.demon.nl.INVALID> wrote:
> Thomas Zahr wrote:
> > Obviously the voters voted for a party list, not for
> > individual candidates, and when one candidate at the top of
> > the list is no longer available for the position, somebody
> > lower on the list takes the place. (At a guess .nl has
> > proportional representation on the local level)
>
> That's indeed the case. There is a major and several 'wethouders'
> (alderman, according to my dictionary. But I don't trust my dictionary).
> The major is appointed by the queen,
Notionally. Actually by nationally political appointment, and there is a
move on to vote for majors directly. Which, IMO, sounds all nice and
democratic in theory, but is, for several reasons, an empty gesture, or
worse, in practice.
> the wethouders are chosen by the parties that form the coalition.
> So if a party has gotten enough votes to get 6 people in the council,
> but nr. 1 on the list becomes a wethouder, nr. 7 on the list gets in
> the council instead of nr. 1 because a wethouder cannot be in the council.
The important information here is that a wethouder is, more or less, the
local equivalent of a minister; while a council member is a local-level
MP.
> It gets even more complicated because you actually CAN vote on a
> specific person, but I don't quite know how that works myself either.
You _do_, in fact, vote for a specific person. That many (most?) people
vote for the specific person who heads their favourite list doesn't
change the fact that they _do_ vote for a person.
The way it works is this. You need a certain percentage of the votes to
get in. Suppose there are 20 members in the council; then you need 5% of
votes to get in. If at least 5% of all voters vote for you, you're in
directly. If _more_ than 5% vote for you (as would be the case for a
party leader), the rest of those votes are added to your party's
"reserve", as it were, and get spent on any member who didn't get enough
votes by himself.
E.g., suppose Nr. 1 on a list got 7% of all votes; Nr. 2 4%; Nr. 3 6%
(Nr. 3 had a succesful local campaign, evidently); and Nr. 4 2%. Then
Nr. 1 and Nr. 3 are in directly. Nr. 1 has 2% left over, and Nr. 3 1%.
These are put in the kitty. Now the first member who isn't in, that's
Nr. 2, gets as many spare votes as he needs; that's 1%, and now there
are 2% left in the kitty. Nr. 3 doesn't need any reserve votes. Nr. 4
_could_ get 2%, bringing him to 4%, which still isn't enough, so this
party gets three members in the council.
And _this_ is where it gets complicated. All votes which were not enough
to put someone in the council (or parliament) are divided across parties
depending on, IIRC, how much they have left over, how many members they
already have, the roll of 222d3, and the phase of the moon.
Richard
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| Re: Local politics [message #251613 ] |
So, 09 April 2006 22:57 |
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in article 1144531151.608518.82670 [at] z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,
jgh [at] arcade.demon.co.uk at jgh [at] arcade.demon.co.uk wrote on 08/04/2006 2:19
PM:
> Ed Weatherup wrote:
>> Sanity wrote:
>>> So I'm a politician now. Please don't make nasty jokes ;)
>>
>> Then I think you're the first politician on afp ... certainly I remember
>> winning a pint on this very issue a couple of years ago!
>
> Oy!
And wasn't Eric on his local Council at one time?
--
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that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
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| Re: Local politics [message #251645 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 09:31 |
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Lesley Weston brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk wrote in
<C05EC36E.456EA%brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk>:
> in article 1144531151.608518.82670 [at] z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,
> jgh [at] arcade.demon.co.uk at jgh [at] arcade.demon.co.uk wrote on 08/04/2006 2:19
> PM:
>
> > Ed Weatherup wrote:
> >> Sanity wrote:
> >>> So I'm a politician now. Please don't make nasty jokes ;)
> >>
> >> Then I think you're the first politician on afp ... certainly I remember
> >> winning a pint on this very issue a couple of years ago!
> >
> > Oy!
>
> And wasn't Eric on his local Council at one time?
>
Nope. By a good solid hundred votes.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251671 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 16:35 |
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Berry2K <b.heijltjes [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> He's a coalition member in a relatively small town in a more or less
> sensible country, he isn't becoming president of the Soviet Union.
....yet. :p
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251674 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 16:56 |
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jgh [at] arcade.demon.co.uk wrote:
> Sanity wrote:
>> elections in my hometown in the Netherlands on 7 March. We didn't get an
>> extra seat so I didn't make it into the municipal council, but yesterday
>> we managed to become part of the coalition which means I can go into the
>> council, replacing our leader who will take his place in the local
>> government.
>
> So how does that work then? You don't get elected, your party joins
> a coalition abd suddenly you *are* elected?
>
> In the UK "council" == "local government".
We have the "raad" (council) which acts like the local parliament. The
size depends on the size of the municipality and varies from 11 to 45
IIRC. Gouda has 35 seats. As we don't have a two-party system there's
usually a lot of political parties (over here we have 10, of which 2 are
local). To get a majority you'll need to form a coalition. From the
parties in the coalition comes the government, the "wethouders" who are
like the local ministers.
Normally these are the people put on number 1 or 2 on the list, so if they
are appointed they leave an empty seat (up until 2002 they remained part
of the council, which is odd because the council should check the
government), which is taken by the next in line.
Over here you can vote for a person on the list. If that person gets
enough votes, that person moves up on the list. For these elections, if I
had had 228 votes or more I would have moved to the third place. I didn't,
but nor did anyone else below me (one was close with 206 votes) so I
remained on number 4. For the labour party one person got more than 1350
votes, which is more than a whole seat (910 votes) and bumped him from
place 10 to place 2.
So I'm not elected, but simply the first in line to take up a vacant seat.
Just found
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_Netherlands_(terminology) to
look up the dutch terms. I'm in the GroenLinks fractie in the
gemeenteraad, which is part of the coalition and has one wethouder in the
college of B&W (our lijsttrekker).
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| Re: [I] Local politics [message #251676 ] |
Mo, 10 April 2006 17:15 |
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raltbos [at] xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
>> It gets even more complicated because you actually CAN vote on a
>> specific person, but I don't quite know how that works myself either.
>
> You _do_, in fact, vote for a specific person. That many (most?) people
> vote for the specific person who heads their favourite list doesn't
> change the fact that they _do_ vote for a person.
It's even so that if I go into the council and then break up with my
party, I get to keep my seat.
> The way it works is this.
An easier explanation:
Step 1: all the votes are added up. Say there are 1000 votes
and 25 seats. That means it's 40 votes for every seat. If your party gets
190 votes, they get 4 seats and have 30 leftover votes. If there are any
seats left after all parties have their seats, it gets complicated.
Depending on the size of the municipality, it's either "those parties with
the most leftover votes" who get the seat, or "those parties with the most
votes per already acquired seat", calculated as votes/(seats+1).
Then those seats need to be filled. First the look at everybody who passed
the lower "preference" limit, which is 25% of the amount of votes for one
seat. In my example, this is conveniently 10 votes. So all persons on the
list who have 10 votes or more are ordered from most to least. After that
come the candidates with less than 10 votes, ordered according to the list
order the party decided on. And then it's (with the example) the first 4
who get the 4 seats. And the rest are kept because when a seats gets
vacant, the next one on the list is invited to take it. That list is used
until the next elections, when the whole process starts again.
Each party can decide how they make their list. Usually a commission
interviews all candidates and makes a proposal list, which can then be
amended by the party members.
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| Re: Local politics [message #251766 ] |
Di, 11 April 2006 01:47 |
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in article MPG.1ea41a38b18a326989ac8 [at] cenote.gkhs.net, Eric Jarvis at
web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk wrote on 10/04/2006 12:31 AM:
> Lesley Weston brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk wrote in
> <C05EC36E.456EA%brightly_coloured_blob [at] yahoo.co.uk>:
>> in article 1144531151.608518.82670 [at] z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com,
>> jgh [at] arcade.demon.co.uk at jgh [at] arcade.demon.co.uk wrote on 08/04/2006 2:19
>> PM:
>>
>>> Ed Weatherup wrote:
>>>> Sanity wrote:
>>>>> So I'm a politician now. Please don't make nasty jokes ;)
>>>>
>>>> Then I think you're the first politician on afp ... certainly I remember
>>>> winning a pint on this very issue a couple of years ago!
>>>
>>> Oy!
>>
>> And wasn't Eric on his local Council at one time?
>>
>
> Nope. By a good solid hundred votes.
Oh. I'm sorry to have opened old wounds, if they are wounds.
--
Lesley Weston.
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that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
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